tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8503927.post7242121761986755795..comments2024-03-16T17:18:50.797+08:00Comments on The Agora: Converge, Diverge & Submerge!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8503927.post-66688076412737891572007-06-28T09:12:00.000+08:002007-06-28T09:12:00.000+08:00I felt that Bob has been attacked unfairly in a re...I felt that Bob has been attacked unfairly in a response to him by the founder of Malaysian Christian think-tank with elitist tendencies and a Reformed bent...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8503927.post-48497862414669777102007-06-02T01:40:00.000+08:002007-06-02T01:40:00.000+08:00I read Bob K's original post and wonder why there ...I read Bob K's original post and wonder why there is any concern about Gospel Coalition not seeking a "centrist position". I think when it comes to biblical truth, whenever we venture down the path of seeking "the middle ground", we are approaching it with a flawed methodology. As Christians, we should honestly approach any position beginning with an honest pursuit of what the Bible would say. If that appears extreme in relation to relative positions of different parties, then so be it. <BR/><BR/>I'd like to exhort a pursuit biblical truth, not a centrist position. With that in mind, the gospel coalition folks are ok by me.Every Square Inchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11636924397725214300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8503927.post-62543618661498138802007-05-31T11:44:00.000+08:002007-05-31T11:44:00.000+08:00Aik! Bersandiwara pulak haha...Anon, I'm not sure ...Aik! Bersandiwara pulak haha...<BR/><BR/>Anon, I'm not sure why I'm seen as "distancing myself" from my own theology! hahaa...<BR/><BR/>Of course, there are some of us who are reformed and reforming. Actually, not all key Agora leaders are reformed. Another misunderstanding :)<BR/><BR/>But if the key leaders are, that doesn't mean "reformed theology is primarily engaged in Agora". That is the main misreading I'm correcting in Bob's post la, dun be too upset ok?<BR/><BR/>Also, where did the "Total Truth" study group or the author make any "disparaging remarks" on methodism la? In fact, i came away from reading that chapter on John Wesley/Whitefield with greater admiration for what they did at the great awakening!<BR/><BR/>We have Methodists in the study group too, quite happily reading and learning and sharing with us.<BR/>No complaint... only outsiders lor<BR/><BR/>If dun believe, come and have siew pao with us lar... It's not charitable to attack first then check later ma...<BR/><BR/>Is this gracious revolution? where is the love, yo? Where is the conversation, yo..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8503927.post-27946605589118783042007-05-31T01:23:00.000+08:002007-05-31T01:23:00.000+08:00Hey anonymous,Chill mate. This thread is just a re...Hey anonymous,<BR/><BR/>Chill mate. This thread is just a result of a misunderstanding and misreading of my <A HREF="http://www.bobjots.org/2007/05/some_thoughts_on_the_gospel_co.php" REL="nofollow">earlier blog post</A>. There's no real need to make it any worst. So let's just let it end here.<BR/><BR/>Blessings and shalom,<BR/><BR/>Bob KBob Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09745432823898592329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8503927.post-45398756333223764732007-05-31T01:20:00.000+08:002007-05-31T01:20:00.000+08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Bob Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09745432823898592329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8503927.post-28497622790307586942007-05-30T21:42:00.000+08:002007-05-30T21:42:00.000+08:00I wonder why u r taking great pains at distancing ...I wonder why u r taking great pains at distancing yourself from acknowledging the 'important contribution and roles' that the Reformed folks have in Agora?<BR/><BR/>It should be acknowledged that Agora supports the "Total Truth" study group, where the author makes some disparaging remarks on methodism mah...<BR/><BR/>Can u tell me how tat will not be misconstrued as "exclusive"? Agora endorsed somemore, wah...<BR/><BR/>Eh, aren't all key Agora leaders reformed?<BR/><BR/>Funny la u... hahaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8503927.post-87719638437151571932007-05-29T17:22:00.000+08:002007-05-29T17:22:00.000+08:00That's what I meant :)That's what I meant :)Bob Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09745432823898592329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8503927.post-14730528304513711602007-05-28T18:39:00.000+08:002007-05-28T18:39:00.000+08:00C'mon bro! You came to an Agora forum on Buddhism ...C'mon bro! You came to an Agora forum on Buddhism once rite? How many points did u hear us mention or even whisper? :)<BR/><BR/>Or even in recent discussions in the forum, do you hear a "Reformed perspective" on the Lina Joy case? <BR/><BR/>Funny la u... hahaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8503927.post-7440941290694535462007-05-28T18:31:00.000+08:002007-05-28T18:31:00.000+08:00And please .. do spare me the B-Ps and Reformed Ba...And please .. do spare me the B-Ps and Reformed Baptists at the moment .. hehe .. not really up to dealing with them at the moment :PBob Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09745432823898592329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8503927.post-3943368796148000962007-05-28T18:30:00.000+08:002007-05-28T18:30:00.000+08:00It was actually within the context of engagement o...It was actually within the context of engagement of faith and praxis. The Agora is definitely a good example of a forum set up to engage these questions and as you mentioned in your post, does primarily engage it from a Reformed perspective, even if 4, 5 or 7 point Calvinism is not specifically mentioned.Bob Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09745432823898592329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8503927.post-27987342407686116952007-05-28T17:39:00.000+08:002007-05-28T17:39:00.000+08:00Appreciate those clarifications, Bob! Good to rehe...Appreciate those clarifications, Bob! Good to rehearse similar conversations we had in the past. <BR/><BR/>Its possible to be Pentecostal without speaking in tongues, Tony Campolo reminded us. <BR/><BR/>In case this wud be a more accurate description in the blog, bro, reformed theology is "primarily engaged" in Malaysia via groups like The Right Path, STEMI, BiblePresbyterians and Reformed Baptist congregations :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8503927.post-16380218228005579522007-05-28T17:18:00.000+08:002007-05-28T17:18:00.000+08:00I hope to clarify that my thoughts are generally a...I hope to clarify that my thoughts are generally about the Gospel Coalition based on the reflections of those who were actually there for the conference.<BR/><BR/>They were not meant to imply that I shared the same fears about The Agora or that this particular forum shares the same sociological characteristics. In contrary, The Agora generally has shown itself to be more inclusive; to a certain extent; even if a lot of the main participants tend to come from a more Reformed perspective and is definitely one of the better models out there for critical dialogue and reflection within the Christian community in Malaysia.<BR/><BR/>My post was also not meant to be a critique of the Reformed faith and theology. I may have my own reasons not to embrace it but similiarly I do not reject it in totality. I admit to having developed my own bias having being brought up within a Wesleyan tradition and later spending many years in Pentecostal and Charismatic circles; which probably made me wade pretty deeply in the waters of the Arminian perspective. I have, however, come to realise the inadequacies of that perspective as well and maybe come to terms with the fact that while there might be a "Total Truth" out there (to poach a term), our various explanations of that truth, taken in isolation, has yet to be totally adequate.<BR/><BR/>I am still optimistic of seeing some point of convergence between the various expressions of the Evangelical community that are genuinely concerned about how badly compromised our faith has been with the world. Unfortunately, for the time being, I don't see it happening yet; whether among those who would call themselves Emerging or those that would call themselves otherwise.<BR/><BR/>But since it's the Pentecost anyway, I have hope and trust in the Holy Spirit to bring about miracles even when humanity has run out of ideas :)Bob Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09745432823898592329noreply@blogger.com